How Empathetic Is Too Empathetic?
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大家好。
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欢迎来到今天的Xiaoguachinese的播客。
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我是Luna。
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今天我和范范,
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大家好。
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还有佳琪。
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大家好。
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我们三个人一起聊一聊两个词,
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“共情”和“同情”。
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我们先来说一说“同情”。
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那我们三个人会比一比,
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看看谁最有同情心,
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谁最容易同情别人呢?
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那佳琪,
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佳琪先来吧。
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好,Luna。
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我觉得我和你们可能不需要比,
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我觉得我应该是
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最没有同情心的那一个。
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我举一个例子吧。
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就是我的妈妈,
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经常会跟我抱怨一些事情。
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然后她总是会觉得自己是受害者,
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就是别人会欺负她,
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然后她很伤心,很难过。
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所以她会来跟我抱怨,
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跟我说这个人怎么怎么样,
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她做了什么什么样的事情。
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但很多时候,
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我好像不能同情,
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我做不到同情我妈妈。
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我有想过很多次,
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是不是我的问题?
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但是后来我发现,
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如果这个人是我,
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不是我的妈妈,
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我可能也不会同情我自己。
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所以我觉得我好像不是
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一个很有同情心的人。
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佳琪,我想说,
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我觉得我跟你差不多。
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对。
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Luna,我也不是很有同情心。
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就是我会觉得,
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每个人都有自己的困难,
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每个人都有自己的问题。
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然后呢,我们应该去解决自己的问题。
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当然,如果我遇到很大的困难和问题,
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没有人帮助我,
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我觉得是正常的,
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就是没关系。
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对。
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所以我可能跟佳琪的想法差不多。
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好,那现在该Luna了。
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Luna。
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因为这个话题是我想到的,
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可能是我最有同情心。
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但是我有一点,我觉得和你们很像,
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因为我对我自己的妈妈,
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也是因为她现在也有一些
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看起来很不好的情况,
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但是因为我非常清楚她
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为什么会有这样的情况,
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所以我也不会同情她。
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我觉得是她自己需要去解决的问题。
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对。
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对,但是呢,
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我会对可能我不了解的人,
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或者陌生人,
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比如说,
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送外卖的外卖员。
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有时候我看到外面下雨了,
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下很大的雨,
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然后是晚上很晚,
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但是我想吃东西,
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我就会想:
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“我要不要点外卖呢?”
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因为我会担心,
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他们会不会不安全?
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下很大的雨,
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然后骑车送外卖。
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然后我的老公就会说:
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“你为什么要担心这个问题?
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你不点外卖,
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他们怎么赚钱呢?”
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对,然后,
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我好像会意识到,
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是我自己,
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是不是同情心太泛滥,
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就是太多了,
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有一点过了。
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你们觉得呢?
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我觉得你是很善良的人。
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但是呢,我跟你老公的想法有一点像。
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我会觉得这个是他的工作。
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可能下雨天,
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如果他送外卖,
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他的工资是更高的。
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所以呢,如果他想挣更多的钱,
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他可以选择雨天也送外卖。
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但是可能他们也可以选择,
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下雨天我不工作了我回家,
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是不是?
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对,而且,
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刚刚范范说到了他们的选择,
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然后后来我就变了,
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对,
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我好像不会那么同情他们。
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但是呢,
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我会给他们发消息,
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说你注意安全,
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你慢一点。
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对,是的。
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我觉得Luna,
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如果你说送外卖的,
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或者说送快递的,我觉得,
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我也会有一点同情心。
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我会觉得他们很辛苦。
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对,比如说我对我爸爸,
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其实也有一点同情心,
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我也觉得他很辛苦。
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如果说我,
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有一个很大的快递,
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然后那个快递员,
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他需要搬很重的快递来我家,
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可能我会跟他说,
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我说很辛苦,
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或者我会给他一个很小的红包,
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让他可以多一点回报,
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就是多一点,
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他得到的东西可以多一点。
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对。
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那其实这个对于他们来说,
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已经是很温暖的事情了。
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因为他们自己可能,
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会觉得这个是我的工作,
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这个是我应该做的事情。
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可能如果我们不做什么,
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他们也不会觉得有什么奇怪的,
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对不对,也不会不开心。
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对,但是就是这一点,我觉得,
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我跟你们也有一点像,
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因为你们都知道我的课很多,
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一般我点外卖,
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我会告诉他放在门口就可以,
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不要敲门不要敲门,
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也不要打电话。
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但是我去门口拿快递的时候,
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拿外卖的时候,
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我发现我的这个袋子上都是湿的,
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然后呢,
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你们知道那个外卖上面会有一张纸,
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这个纸上写你的外卖是什么对不对,
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那个纸也湿了,
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然后我就知道,
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外面下了很大的雨。
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回来以后我会给他发信息,
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我说辛苦你了,
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回去的时候你要注意安全。
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但是我不会给他发红包,
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我只会跟他说一些话。
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我会和佳琪一样,
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有时候有时候我会发红包。
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对,所以我有一个问题,
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因为我突然在思考,
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我们这样的同情心是应该的吗?
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或者说是不是,
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我们觉得我们比他们,
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地位更高,
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还是好像我们比他们生活得更好,
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所以我们应该同情他们?
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我现在突然觉得好像也不太好,
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我想听听你们的看法。
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Luna,
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我特别可以共情你。
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就是我觉得你的想法,
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也是我很多时候在想的,
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或者说我应不应该,
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同情他们,
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就是,
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你知道有很多欧洲人,
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或者说美国人什么的,
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他们都很喜欢去帮助非洲人,
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就是你很难去分清楚,
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我的这个帮助,
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是因为我是真的很想帮助你,
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还是因为我觉得,
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我过得比你好,
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所以我应该帮助你,
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就我觉得这个很难说,
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你真的很难分清楚。
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我觉得你们不需要想这样的问题。
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如果你觉得他很辛苦,
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你想表示你的感谢,
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你就给他一个小的红包。
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那我可能不想感谢那么多,
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我就说一句你辛苦了,
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对。
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可能这个是我们的性格的问题,
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是人的一个善良的东西,
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所以可能不需要想那么多,
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那么深的东西。
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这样的话他也很开心,
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你也很开心。
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对。
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我很同意范范说的其实,
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因为我觉得,
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很多时候,
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这样的情况其实不需要想太多,
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他可能真的只是因为你心里面觉得,
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他好辛苦,
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我想帮一帮他,
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对。
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然后就跟他说了一句话,
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然后给了他一些钱。
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对,没关系Luna,
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我们可以接受自己是一个好人。
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对。
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是的。
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太好笑了!
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我们是很好的人。
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对。
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对。
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所以好像我觉得有时候,
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我会有一点困扰,
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就是我会想很多,
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我这样做对不对,
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会不会别人,
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会觉得你为什么要帮我,
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我不需要我不需要你可怜我,
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这样的感觉。
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对,所以我很多时候,
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我会想很多,
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好。
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现在我觉得,
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我觉得范范说得很对。
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而且Luna,
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我觉得对于送外卖的外卖员来说,
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他们不会觉得,
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我不需要你可怜我,
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他们收到红包以后,
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一定会非常开心的,
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他们会觉得你是一个很好的,
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很善良的人。
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而且Luna,他们没有时间,
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去想这个问题,
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他们每天很着急的送外卖,
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他们想多送一些外卖,
249
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多赚一点钱,
250
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真的没有时间去想这个问题。
251
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对。
252
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我太多余了。
253
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对,然后Luna,
254
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我现在又想到了一点,
255
00:10:36,966 --> 00:10:40,266
就是刚刚因为你在说,
256
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你的这个想法的时候,
257
00:10:41,933 --> 00:10:43,700
我有一点点共情嘛,
258
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但我后来想了想,
259
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我觉得有一些人,
260
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他们是真的觉得,
261
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我给你钱是因为我比你过得好,
262
00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,700
然后我在可怜你对吗,
263
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就是这种感觉,
264
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就是天呐,
265
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你过得怎么这么的不好,
266
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你看我过得这么好,
267
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那我多给你一点钱吧,
268
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我觉得我们不是这样的人。
269
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对。
270
00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:11,200
但是真的有人是这样的,
271
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所以我想了一下,
272
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我觉得应该不是,
273
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对,佳琪,
274
00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,766
我现在觉得我真的有一点,
275
00:11:18,766 --> 00:11:20,666
觉得自己好像很厉害,
276
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其实我现在想想天呐,
277
00:11:22,366 --> 00:11:23,733
我就是个普通人,
278
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我也没有比他们好很多。
279
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对。
280
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好。
281
00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:32,000
然后我也觉得同情这件事情,
282
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它是要有一个度的,
283
00:11:34,566 --> 00:11:37,266
就是有些东西你可以同情,
284
00:11:37,266 --> 00:11:39,100
但是你不能同情太多,
285
00:11:39,100 --> 00:11:40,566
你不能做太多,
286
00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:43,700
你不能超过这个度对不对?
287
00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:47,666
我觉得至少就是你同情别人,
288
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不要影响自己的生活对吗?
289
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对,是的。
290
00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,966
对,为什么我会这样想呢?
291
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因为很多年以前,
292
00:11:57,933 --> 00:11:59,733
我有一个男朋友,
293
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当然现在他已经是前男友,
294
00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,133
我们在一起的时候很开心,
295
00:12:08,066 --> 00:12:09,800
但是有一天,
296
00:12:10,166 --> 00:12:12,666
突然我就联系不上他了,
297
00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,733
我很难找到他,
298
00:12:15,566 --> 00:12:16,700
就是以前呢,
299
00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:18,866
他每天给我打很多电话,
300
00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:20,166
给我发信息,
301
00:12:20,533 --> 00:12:22,000
但是我给他发信息,
302
00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,866
他也没有时间回复我,
303
00:12:23,933 --> 00:12:26,700
晚上的时候他才回复我。
304
00:12:27,133 --> 00:12:29,166
差不多一个星期以后,
305
00:12:29,266 --> 00:12:30,366
我非常生气,
306
00:12:30,366 --> 00:12:32,066
我问他为什么会这样,
307
00:12:32,733 --> 00:12:33,800
你们知道吗?
308
00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,400
就是以前有一个,
309
00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,000
喜欢他的女生得了癌症,
310
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就是她的胸的一个癌症,
311
00:12:41,333 --> 00:12:43,800
得了乳腺癌,
312
00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:44,800
然后那个女生,
313
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做了手术以后告诉了他,
314
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那个女生就去找他了,
315
00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,100
所以呢那一个星期,
316
00:12:52,100 --> 00:12:55,266
他都在陪那个女生说话呀,
317
00:12:55,933 --> 00:12:58,100
散步吃饭呐,
318
00:12:58,166 --> 00:13:00,000
这样的事情。
319
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我觉得我知道以后呢,
320
00:13:06,100 --> 00:13:09,066
当然我也同情这个女生,
321
00:13:09,166 --> 00:13:11,500
她生了这个病,
322
00:13:11,566 --> 00:13:12,666
很严重的病,
323
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很大的病,
324
00:13:13,733 --> 00:13:15,566
因为对于一个女孩子来说,
325
00:13:15,566 --> 00:13:19,133
这个是很严重的事情对不对?
326
00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,866
然后我想一想,
327
00:13:22,666 --> 00:13:24,600
我记得我的妈妈告诉我,
328
00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:25,900
在我的老家,
329
00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:28,733
山上有一种特别的药,
330
00:13:28,766 --> 00:13:33,900
对治疗这个癌症会有帮助,
331
00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,866
所以我就问我妈妈,
332
00:13:35,866 --> 00:13:36,933
你可以告诉我,
333
00:13:36,933 --> 00:13:38,566
这个药的名字是什么,
334
00:13:39,100 --> 00:13:40,133
怎么做,
335
00:13:40,133 --> 00:13:41,466
怎么吃这个药,
336
00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:44,000
所以第二天我给我的,
337
00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,700
这个前男友发信息,
338
00:13:45,866 --> 00:13:46,800
我告诉他,
339
00:13:46,933 --> 00:13:48,966
我说这个是我们老家,
340
00:13:48,966 --> 00:13:50,966
那边很有名的中药,
341
00:13:50,966 --> 00:13:52,100
可以帮助她,
342
00:13:52,366 --> 00:13:53,766
你可以告诉他,
343
00:13:54,266 --> 00:13:55,900
她想不想试一试,
344
00:13:55,900 --> 00:13:57,733
如果她想试一试,
345
00:13:57,733 --> 00:13:59,333
我可以帮助她,
346
00:13:59,700 --> 00:13:59,900
对,
347
00:13:59,900 --> 00:14:01,966
然后我就说我们分手吧。
348
00:14:02,166 --> 00:14:04,966
我觉得他做太多了,
349
00:14:04,966 --> 00:14:09,100
就是因为他有女朋友对不对,
350
00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,300
他也没有告诉我这件事情,
351
00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:14,166
这个女生喜欢他去找他,
352
00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:17,100
他一个星期都在陪她,
353
00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:19,366
我觉得我不可以接受这件事情,
354
00:14:19,666 --> 00:14:21,800
当然我可以同情这个女生,
355
00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,733
但是我不接受我的这个前男友,
356
00:14:25,100 --> 00:14:27,533
和他在一起一个星期的这件事情,
357
00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:29,566
我觉得他做太多了,
358
00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:31,800
这个已经不是同情心了,
359
00:14:32,366 --> 00:14:34,000
但是他的解释说,
360
00:14:34,133 --> 00:14:35,800
范范我觉得她很可怜,
361
00:14:35,933 --> 00:14:38,866
我是很想同情她,
362
00:14:38,866 --> 00:14:40,166
我觉得这个是不对的,
363
00:14:40,166 --> 00:14:41,200
对。
364
00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:41,400
对。
365
00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,000
我觉得范范你做得很对,
366
00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,200
我觉得这个男生,
367
00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,333
他是在伤害你,
368
00:14:48,733 --> 00:14:51,500
就是这是一个更重要的事情,
369
00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:53,766
他伤害了你然后,
370
00:14:54,166 --> 00:14:54,466
对,
371
00:14:54,466 --> 00:14:55,600
然后他觉得,
372
00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,266
他在做一个更伟大的事情,
373
00:14:58,300 --> 00:14:59,066
对,
374
00:14:59,066 --> 00:15:01,933
然后他觉得这个女生需要他,
375
00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,966
他把自己想的太伟大了,
376
00:15:03,966 --> 00:15:06,566
是的他就是这样想的。
377
00:15:06,933 --> 00:15:08,333
你是谁呀你!
378
00:15:08,966 --> 00:15:10,566
我现在只想说一句,
379
00:15:10,566 --> 00:15:14,333
我觉得很多的男生都很单纯,
380
00:15:14,766 --> 00:15:15,566
对,
381
00:15:16,066 --> 00:15:17,966
就是他不知道很多女生,
382
00:15:17,966 --> 00:15:21,133
为什么会找他们,
383
00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,900
真的吗?那如果他是这样的男生,
384
00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:26,666
我觉得他真的没有脑子,
385
00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,066
我跟他分手,
386
00:15:28,066 --> 00:15:29,600
我觉得我太开心了,
387
00:15:29,666 --> 00:15:30,200
太对了,
388
00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,300
我不想和一个傻子在一起。
389
00:15:32,333 --> 00:15:35,466
对对,我觉得你做的是很对的。
390
00:15:35,500 --> 00:15:38,766
当然可能这个是特殊情况,
391
00:15:38,766 --> 00:15:40,333
对吗,因为她生病了,
392
00:15:40,333 --> 00:15:41,500
可能不一样。
393
00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:42,966
不,不,
394
00:15:42,966 --> 00:15:45,933
我觉得要看她跟这个男生的关系,
395
00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:48,066
就是她生了这个病,
396
00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,400
她身边有没有和她很亲近的人陪她,
397
00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,966
那为什么要找别人的男朋友呢?
398
00:15:55,333 --> 00:15:57,033
就是他以……
399
00:15:57,033 --> 00:15:59,200
就算我们是,
400
00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:00,533
在这里有重点,
401
00:16:00,733 --> 00:16:02,200
对,等一下佳琪,
402
00:16:02,733 --> 00:16:03,800
你刚才说这个,
403
00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,166
为什么要找别人男朋友,
404
00:16:05,166 --> 00:16:07,466
这个地方我要插一句,
405
00:16:07,466 --> 00:16:09,300
还有一个很重要的原因,
406
00:16:09,300 --> 00:16:11,566
我觉得是我的前男友,
407
00:16:11,566 --> 00:16:14,133
没有告诉她我有女朋友了,
408
00:16:14,533 --> 00:16:17,733
所以这个女生才会去找他,
409
00:16:17,933 --> 00:16:19,700
就是这个男生的问题,
410
00:16:19,700 --> 00:16:21,333
对,是男生的问题,
411
00:16:21,666 --> 00:16:23,500
那个女生是喜欢你的,
412
00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:25,966
那个时候的男朋友对吗,
413
00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,566
对,
414
00:16:27,566 --> 00:16:30,266
然后我觉得,
415
00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,733
这个男生知道这个女生喜欢他,
416
00:16:35,066 --> 00:16:37,500
所以他没有告诉这个女生,
417
00:16:37,500 --> 00:16:38,966
我已经有女朋友了,
418
00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:41,466
我觉得对很多女孩子来说,
419
00:16:41,466 --> 00:16:43,300
如果一个男生告诉她,
420
00:16:43,566 --> 00:16:45,400
我已经有女朋友了,
421
00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,900
可能她就不会再去找他了对不对?
422
00:16:48,066 --> 00:16:50,766
对,那确实是你男朋友的问题,
423
00:16:51,366 --> 00:16:52,100
不是男朋友,
424
00:16:52,100 --> 00:16:53,200
是前男友,
425
00:16:53,900 --> 00:16:54,700
前男友,
426
00:16:55,733 --> 00:16:56,866
对,
427
00:16:56,966 --> 00:16:59,466
我不可能有这么笨的男朋友。
428
00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:01,433
对,
429
00:17:01,433 --> 00:17:04,133
但是我也觉得这个女生她,
430
00:17:04,133 --> 00:17:06,333
其实也是利用了这一点,
431
00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:08,266
她就想得到,
432
00:17:08,266 --> 00:17:11,300
可能她知道这个男生不喜欢她,
433
00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,733
但是她现在有另外一种方法,
434
00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,066
她利用同情对吧,
435
00:17:16,066 --> 00:17:17,600
利用他的同情心,
436
00:17:17,866 --> 00:17:19,466
想要得到一点,
437
00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,566
她觉得可能对她来说,
438
00:17:23,566 --> 00:17:27,000
能够感觉到有一点被爱的感觉,
439
00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,333
但是不是真的爱,
440
00:17:28,333 --> 00:17:30,866
它可能是同情,
441
00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:35,766
而且我觉得很多男生都很喜欢,
442
00:17:36,333 --> 00:17:38,300
现在我可以保护你了,
443
00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:39,366
这种感觉,
444
00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:40,200
对,
445
00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,800
所以他看到一个,
446
00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,000
天呐这么可怜的女生,
447
00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:49,900
我现在可以当一个男人了,
448
00:17:49,966 --> 00:17:52,366
就是就是这种感觉,
449
00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,600
对,佳琪,
450
00:17:53,866 --> 00:17:56,500
可能他觉得自己是一个英雄,
451
00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,166
英雄,
452
00:17:58,166 --> 00:17:59,400
是的,
453
00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,933
当然不是说所有的男生,
454
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,000
就是有一些男生会这样,
455
00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:07,200
是的。
456
00:18:07,300 --> 00:18:07,633
好。
457
00:18:07,633 --> 00:18:11,566
所以刚刚我们说完了同情,
458
00:18:11,733 --> 00:18:14,566
我也很想对范范说,
459
00:18:14,566 --> 00:18:16,966
我觉得佳琪和我有一样的感觉,
460
00:18:17,066 --> 00:18:19,700
我们能共情范范,
461
00:18:19,700 --> 00:18:20,066
对吗,
462
00:18:20,066 --> 00:18:20,533
对,
463
00:18:20,533 --> 00:18:21,766
她的这个经历,
464
00:18:22,866 --> 00:18:24,300
是的。
465
00:18:24,300 --> 00:18:27,100
所以那共情,
466
00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:28,600
我有一个问题,
467
00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,366
我想问范范和佳琪,
468
00:18:32,366 --> 00:18:37,000
你们会因为什么事情和别人共情呢?
469
00:18:37,366 --> 00:18:41,500
一般可能是他跟我有一样的经历,
470
00:18:41,500 --> 00:18:43,766
我很容易共情,
471
00:18:43,766 --> 00:18:44,166
对,
472
00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:46,666
或者是看电视的时候,
473
00:18:47,166 --> 00:18:50,366
我看到了一个让我很感动的地方,
474
00:18:50,533 --> 00:18:51,666
我会哭,
475
00:18:52,366 --> 00:18:54,866
我哭了可能是因为我共情了,
476
00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:55,866
我感觉,
477
00:18:55,866 --> 00:18:59,100
我可以感受到他的感觉是什么,
478
00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:00,366
我懂他,
479
00:19:00,366 --> 00:19:02,900
这样的一种感觉,
480
00:19:02,900 --> 00:19:03,166
对,
481
00:19:03,166 --> 00:19:06,700
就是可能这件事情它不是你的,
482
00:19:06,700 --> 00:19:09,500
它不是你经历的,
483
00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:12,600
但是你不知道为什么,
484
00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,733
你就是可以明白他的感受,
485
00:19:14,866 --> 00:19:15,466
对,
486
00:19:15,466 --> 00:19:18,733
你明白他为什么会哭,
487
00:19:18,733 --> 00:19:22,066
为什么会难过,
488
00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:23,866
对,就是我懂你,
489
00:19:24,300 --> 00:19:25,566
我懂你,是的,
490
00:19:25,566 --> 00:19:27,466
对,是的是的。
491
00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:31,800
我前两天在网上看到一个新闻,
492
00:19:32,566 --> 00:19:34,766
有一个火锅店的女孩子,
493
00:19:34,766 --> 00:19:35,866
她很年轻,
494
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,966
然后呢她有一点难过,
495
00:19:40,133 --> 00:19:41,333
她不太自信,
496
00:19:42,333 --> 00:19:43,566
她有一点自卑,
497
00:19:43,933 --> 00:19:45,266
为什么呢?
498
00:19:45,266 --> 00:19:45,966
她说:
499
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,933
“我觉得来吃火锅的人,
500
00:19:49,066 --> 00:19:51,366
他们和我年纪差不多大,
501
00:19:52,133 --> 00:19:55,466
可是呢她们穿很漂亮的衣服,
502
00:19:55,966 --> 00:19:59,100
她们的身上香香的,
503
00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:01,366
都是香水的味道,
504
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,933
可是她闻自己身上都是火锅的味道,
505
00:20:06,300 --> 00:20:07,900
所以她很难过。”
506
00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:10,066
然后她拍了照片,
507
00:20:10,266 --> 00:20:12,766
发了这张照片在网上,
508
00:20:14,066 --> 00:20:16,500
有很多很多人共情她,
509
00:20:16,933 --> 00:20:19,666
在她的这张照片下边,
510
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,000
有7万个人给她评论,
511
00:20:23,533 --> 00:20:25,533
然后大家都发了,
512
00:20:25,533 --> 00:20:27,800
自己工作时候的照片,
513
00:20:28,533 --> 00:20:32,866
大家说我们只是休息的时候,
514
00:20:32,866 --> 00:20:34,700
穿很漂亮的衣服,
515
00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:37,766
但是我们刚好碰到了,
516
00:20:37,766 --> 00:20:39,400
你工作时候的样子,
517
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,066
这个是你的日常,
518
00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:45,133
其实我们的日常也跟你差不多,
519
00:20:45,266 --> 00:20:48,566
因为有的人他可能是农民,
520
00:20:48,766 --> 00:20:52,400
然后他们发自己种地的时候的照片,
521
00:20:52,966 --> 00:20:54,600
对,有的人呢,
522
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,500
可能是修火车的人,
523
00:20:58,066 --> 00:20:58,333
对,
524
00:20:58,333 --> 00:21:02,766
所以很多人都可以共情她,
525
00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:04,266
对,
526
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:05,300
对,
527
00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:07,866
你们有没有看到过这个?
528
00:21:07,866 --> 00:21:08,566
没有。
529
00:21:08,566 --> 00:21:09,933
我看到了。
530
00:21:09,933 --> 00:21:11,466
对,我也看到了。
531
00:21:11,666 --> 00:21:13,000
我现在听范范说,
532
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000
我又觉得,
533
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,133
好温暖,
534
00:21:15,166 --> 00:21:16,733
好感动,
535
00:21:16,733 --> 00:21:20,466
而且很多都是女生,
536
00:21:20,466 --> 00:21:21,700
对对,
537
00:21:21,766 --> 00:21:22,800
都是女生,
538
00:21:23,266 --> 00:21:26,133
对,她们真的可以共情,
539
00:21:26,166 --> 00:21:27,933
我现在也能共情,
540
00:21:27,933 --> 00:21:30,133
我觉得我能理解他们,
541
00:21:30,333 --> 00:21:31,866
是的。
542
00:21:31,866 --> 00:21:35,866
我觉得我们刚刚说了同情嘛,
543
00:21:36,133 --> 00:21:39,000
其实现在我们聊着聊着,
544
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,633
我会觉得我们在给外卖,
545
00:21:43,633 --> 00:21:46,566
或者送快递的人红包的时候,
546
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,466
也可以是一种共情,
547
00:21:49,666 --> 00:21:52,200
就是你共情了他的经历,
548
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,933
你共情了他的辛苦,
549
00:21:53,933 --> 00:21:58,133
对,所以你才会帮他,
550
00:21:58,166 --> 00:21:58,700
是的,
551
00:21:58,700 --> 00:22:00,200
对是的是的。
552
00:22:00,466 --> 00:22:04,133
所以好像共情能力很强的人,
553
00:22:04,366 --> 00:22:06,533
他可以带给别人温暖,
554
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:07,333
对吗,
555
00:22:07,333 --> 00:22:10,166
可以让别人觉得很开心,
556
00:22:10,666 --> 00:22:14,666
觉得自己的工作可以得到认可,
557
00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:16,533
对,可以被看见。
558
00:22:16,566 --> 00:22:19,133
那我这里有一个问题,
559
00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:21,700
就是共情能力太强,
560
00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:23,800
会不会也是一种负担,
561
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,333
一种压力,
562
00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:28,900
就是你看到什么都可以共情,
563
00:22:29,366 --> 00:22:31,100
可能你每天都在共情,
564
00:22:31,133 --> 00:22:33,766
就可能这些东西它可能并不是你的,
565
00:22:33,766 --> 00:22:34,766
对,
566
00:22:34,766 --> 00:22:35,566
对,
567
00:22:35,666 --> 00:22:37,400
我觉得会。
568
00:22:37,866 --> 00:22:40,266
佳琪你刚才说的这样的人,
569
00:22:40,533 --> 00:22:42,866
我觉得他是很敏感的人,
570
00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:44,466
现在在中国呢,
571
00:22:44,466 --> 00:22:46,300
我们会说这样的人,
572
00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:48,533
他们是高敏感的人,
573
00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:52,300
就是他们每天会接收,
574
00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:55,466
很多别人的负面情绪,
575
00:22:56,733 --> 00:22:59,733
然后有一点过度了,
576
00:22:59,933 --> 00:23:02,600
这样的话他们自己就会很焦虑,
577
00:23:02,966 --> 00:23:06,166
时间久了可能自己也心情非常不好,
578
00:23:06,166 --> 00:23:06,966
抑郁了。
579
00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:09,733
所以这个就是为什么有些医生,
580
00:23:09,866 --> 00:23:13,066
有一些心理咨询师,
581
00:23:13,066 --> 00:23:14,700
可能他们也不是,
582
00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:17,100
非常开心的一个原因。
583
00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:20,300
那我想到一个问题,
584
00:23:20,300 --> 00:23:23,000
那你们觉得这个社会,
585
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,766
它需要很多共情能力强的人吗?
586
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,166
我觉得一半一半吧,
587
00:23:32,066 --> 00:23:35,066
就是你总是需要一些人,
588
00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:38,100
能够去完成一些事情,
589
00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:40,266
你又希望,
590
00:23:40,766 --> 00:23:42,366
有一些人可以共情,
591
00:23:42,366 --> 00:23:46,766
然后可以平衡一下,
592
00:23:46,766 --> 00:23:47,500
对,
593
00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:50,666
所以我觉得可能都是也不好,
594
00:23:50,666 --> 00:23:52,900
但是都不是也不行,
595
00:23:52,900 --> 00:23:55,366
我是这种感觉。
596
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,366
我是觉得,
597
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,700
如果你的共情能力很强,
598
00:24:00,066 --> 00:24:02,133
其实它是一种能力对不对,
599
00:24:02,566 --> 00:24:03,866
你可以看到别人,
600
00:24:03,866 --> 00:24:06,000
你可以感受到别人的感受,
601
00:24:06,733 --> 00:24:08,200
那在工作中,
602
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,333
在生活中,
603
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,200
这样的话其实是可以,
604
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,333
让大家的联系更紧密一些,
605
00:24:14,333 --> 00:24:17,200
可以加强大家的联系的。
606
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,600
比如说有的时候我们在工作中,
607
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,400
遇到了一些问题那如果,
608
00:24:23,966 --> 00:24:25,900
现在我可以共情你,
609
00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:29,333
我可能可以感受到你现在的感觉,
610
00:24:29,366 --> 00:24:31,133
我和你先谈感受,
611
00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:32,400
然后你会觉得,
612
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,566
你真的懂我,
613
00:24:33,733 --> 00:24:35,866
这个时候我们的关系更好了,
614
00:24:35,866 --> 00:24:38,100
我们再去一起解决这个问题,
615
00:24:38,466 --> 00:24:40,100
它可能是更容易的,
616
00:24:40,466 --> 00:24:43,933
所以我觉得可能我们要利用,
617
00:24:43,933 --> 00:24:47,300
这个共情能力的这个优点,
618
00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:49,900
但是我们也要坚持,
619
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,700
这个度在哪里,
620
00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:53,800
就是我们要知道自己是谁,
621
00:24:53,866 --> 00:24:56,066
我们要知道这个是我的事情,
622
00:24:56,066 --> 00:24:57,600
还是别人的事情,
623
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,100
你只需要做你自己应该做的,
624
00:25:00,133 --> 00:25:04,533
不要被别的负面情绪有太多的影响。
625
00:25:04,866 --> 00:25:07,333
那我想到一个例子,
626
00:25:07,333 --> 00:25:09,133
我想问问范范和佳琪,
627
00:25:09,133 --> 00:25:10,300
如果是你们,
628
00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,133
你们会怎么做?
629
00:25:12,133 --> 00:25:15,766
这个是我在一个电视剧里看到的,
630
00:25:16,066 --> 00:25:17,200
两个警察,
631
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,600
然后一个警察,
632
00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:22,466
他就是共情能力很强,
633
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,500
他在做一个案子的时候,
634
00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:30,566
最后这个杀人的人,
635
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,566
他是儿子,
636
00:25:32,933 --> 00:25:34,366
这个儿子呢,
637
00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:36,866
他马上要高考了,
638
00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:38,533
他的成绩非常好,
639
00:25:38,866 --> 00:25:41,133
但是呢他为什么杀人呢,
640
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,766
而且他杀的是他的爸爸,
641
00:25:44,333 --> 00:25:46,133
他也不是故意的,
642
00:25:46,366 --> 00:25:49,066
是因为他为了保护他的妈妈,
643
00:25:49,533 --> 00:25:52,333
因为他的妈妈一直被他的爸爸打,
644
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,000
我们叫家暴,
645
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,800
所以妈妈受不了了,
646
00:25:56,966 --> 00:26:00,066
然后儿子也不是故意的,
647
00:26:00,066 --> 00:26:02,333
但是最后杀了他的爸爸,
648
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,766
然后这个警察呢,
649
00:26:04,966 --> 00:26:07,733
他就非常理解他们的这个情况,
650
00:26:08,133 --> 00:26:11,200
他觉得这个孩子很好,
651
00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:13,666
而且他的成绩也很好,
652
00:26:13,933 --> 00:26:16,200
他应该有更好的未来,
653
00:26:16,866 --> 00:26:20,266
所以他的妈妈就求这个警察说,
654
00:26:20,466 --> 00:26:23,466
你不要告诉别人这个事情,
655
00:26:23,466 --> 00:26:23,900
我,
656
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:28,666
我帮我的孩子去监狱去坐牢,
657
00:26:28,666 --> 00:26:31,933
我希望你可以让他有一个新的生活,
658
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,400
好,但是呢,
659
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,666
另外一个警察,
660
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:39,000
他发现了一些细节一些点,
661
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,600
他知道这个事情是什么,
662
00:26:43,933 --> 00:26:48,266
然后最后这个警察他说我不能帮你,
663
00:26:48,266 --> 00:26:52,900
所以最后这个警察就是他的同事,
664
00:26:53,366 --> 00:26:55,300
他的同事最后把这个事情,
665
00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:57,566
告诉了他们的领导,
666
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,400
最后这个,
667
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:02,333
共情能力很强的警察,
668
00:27:02,666 --> 00:27:04,666
没有了工作,
669
00:27:04,666 --> 00:27:04,933
对,
670
00:27:04,933 --> 00:27:08,166
所以我不知道如果是你们,
671
00:27:08,166 --> 00:27:11,600
你们会怎么做这样的事情?
672
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,733
我觉得如果是我的话,
673
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,766
我明白那个为什么共情的警察,
674
00:27:19,766 --> 00:27:21,700
他会没有工作,
675
00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:25,266
我觉得我的看法是每个人,
676
00:27:25,333 --> 00:27:29,066
要为自己做的事情要负责,
677
00:27:29,066 --> 00:27:32,533
然后那你做了一些事情之后,
678
00:27:32,533 --> 00:27:34,400
肯定是会有一些后果的,
679
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,200
对,
680
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:37,733
我可以明白,
681
00:27:37,733 --> 00:27:40,900
所以他爸爸家暴他妈妈,
682
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:41,900
打他妈妈,
683
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:46,400
他承担的后果就是被杀掉了,
684
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,533
我觉得这是,
685
00:27:48,533 --> 00:27:51,133
就是它是每一个人,
686
00:27:51,133 --> 00:27:52,866
都不想去看到的一件事情,
687
00:27:52,866 --> 00:27:54,733
但是它就是这么发生了,
688
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,766
我可以明白那个孩子,
689
00:27:56,766 --> 00:27:58,300
他不想去杀他爸爸,
690
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,866
但是他也杀了,
691
00:28:00,866 --> 00:28:02,733
我觉得如果是我的话,
692
00:28:02,733 --> 00:28:03,933
我可能会说,
693
00:28:03,933 --> 00:28:06,800
我们有一些事情是必须要做的,
694
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,933
就是我们是不能改变的,
695
00:28:08,933 --> 00:28:10,466
因为你杀了人,
696
00:28:10,666 --> 00:28:12,300
不管是因为什么,
697
00:28:13,266 --> 00:28:16,266
那可能会有一些其他的点,
698
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:17,933
可能会说ok,
699
00:28:18,333 --> 00:28:19,366
可能你杀了人,
700
00:28:19,366 --> 00:28:21,133
然后一般的情况下,
701
00:28:21,133 --> 00:28:22,333
你也需要死,
702
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,366
但是那可能因为这个原因,
703
00:28:25,866 --> 00:28:27,533
你可能不需要死,
704
00:28:27,566 --> 00:28:29,366
你可能去监狱里面,
705
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:31,366
多少多少年,
706
00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:33,200
我觉得可以这样,
707
00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:36,400
但是你说真的完全就说,
708
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,866
这个孩子他没有错吗?
709
00:28:37,866 --> 00:28:40,700
我觉得也不是。
710
00:28:42,266 --> 00:28:44,766
我其实和佳琪的想法是一样的,
711
00:28:45,133 --> 00:28:46,933
社会是有社会的规则,
712
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,533
而且他犯法了对不对,
713
00:28:49,533 --> 00:28:51,266
杀人是很大的事情,
714
00:28:51,766 --> 00:28:54,333
我觉得这个共情同情,
715
00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:57,166
它是跟法律不一样的,
716
00:28:57,666 --> 00:28:59,666
如果你没有做犯法的事情,
717
00:28:59,666 --> 00:29:01,166
我们可以去同情他,
718
00:29:01,166 --> 00:29:02,200
可以共情他,
719
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:03,800
但是法律,
720
00:29:03,933 --> 00:29:05,366
我们是不可以去碰,
721
00:29:05,366 --> 00:29:08,100
这个法律的红线的,
722
00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:11,566
而且他其实有很多方法,
723
00:29:11,666 --> 00:29:13,300
他可以帮助他的妈妈,
724
00:29:13,566 --> 00:29:16,666
在第一次他爸爸打他妈妈的时候,
725
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,666
可能他妈妈可以报警,
726
00:29:18,866 --> 00:29:20,000
他也可以报警,
727
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:23,500
我只会觉得非常可惜,
728
00:29:23,766 --> 00:29:25,966
因为这个结果是不好的结果,
729
00:29:25,966 --> 00:29:27,066
爸爸死了,
730
00:29:27,066 --> 00:29:28,466
他也要去监狱,
731
00:29:28,666 --> 00:29:30,100
真的非常可惜,
732
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:33,166
但是在这件事情发生以前,
733
00:29:33,366 --> 00:29:34,566
他和他的妈妈,
734
00:29:34,566 --> 00:29:37,666
有很多很多办法可以帮助自己,
735
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,300
但是他们都没有,
736
00:29:39,333 --> 00:29:42,133
他们选择了最不好的一个方法,
737
00:29:42,366 --> 00:29:45,566
那当然要承担后果,
738
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:45,800
对,
739
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,500
那如果这个可以共情的警察,
740
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:50,900
我觉得他是一个很善良的人,
741
00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:53,633
可能他把这个案子,
742
00:29:53,633 --> 00:29:55,700
交给他的领导以后,
743
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:59,900
可能他可以去帮这个孩子找律师,
744
00:29:59,966 --> 00:30:03,600
或者说可以求他的领导可不可以,
745
00:30:03,733 --> 00:30:06,933
比如说帮这个孩子求情,
746
00:30:07,266 --> 00:30:10,200
说一说这个为什么他这样做呀,
747
00:30:10,733 --> 00:30:12,733
有可能这个孩子可以,
748
00:30:13,266 --> 00:30:16,733
提前几年从监狱出来,
749
00:30:17,333 --> 00:30:20,800
但是我不同意这个警察的做法,
750
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:21,100
对,
751
00:30:21,866 --> 00:30:23,800
好的,好。
752
00:30:23,866 --> 00:30:26,066
所以这是我们关于,
753
00:30:26,066 --> 00:30:28,300
同情和共情的讨论。
754
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:30,700
那大家有什么看法呢?
755
00:30:30,933 --> 00:30:32,933
或者在你们的生活中,
756
00:30:33,066 --> 00:30:34,733
或者你们的社会里,
757
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,766
有没有这样的情况?
758
00:30:36,866 --> 00:30:39,466
可以在下面和我们分享。
759
00:30:39,733 --> 00:30:41,400
那我们下次见!
760
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,366
拜拜!
761
00:30:42,366 --> 00:30:43,166
拜拜!
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