How Empathetic Is Too Empathetic?

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大家好。


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欢迎来到今天的Xiaoguachinese的播客。


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我是Luna。


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今天我和范范,


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大家好。


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还有佳琪。


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大家好。


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我们三个人一起聊一聊两个词,


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“共情”和“同情”。


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我们先来说一说“同情”。


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那我们三个人会比一比,


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看看谁最有同情心,


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谁最容易同情别人呢?


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那佳琪,


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佳琪先来吧。


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好,Luna。


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我觉得我和你们可能不需要比,


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我觉得我应该是


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最没有同情心的那一个。


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我举一个例子吧。


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就是我的妈妈,


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经常会跟我抱怨一些事情。


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然后她总是会觉得自己是受害者,


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就是别人会欺负她,


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然后她很伤心,很难过。


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所以她会来跟我抱怨,


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跟我说这个人怎么怎么样,


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她做了什么什么样的事情。


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但很多时候,


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我好像不能同情,


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我做不到同情我妈妈。


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我有想过很多次,


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是不是我的问题?


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但是后来我发现,


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如果这个人是我,


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不是我的妈妈,


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我可能也不会同情我自己。


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所以我觉得我好像不是


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一个很有同情心的人。


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佳琪,我想说,


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我觉得我跟你差不多。


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对。


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Luna,我也不是很有同情心。


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就是我会觉得,


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每个人都有自己的困难,


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每个人都有自己的问题。


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然后呢,我们应该去解决自己的问题。


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当然,如果我遇到很大的困难和问题,


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没有人帮助我,


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我觉得是正常的,


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就是没关系。


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对。


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所以我可能跟佳琪的想法差不多。


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好,那现在该Luna了。


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Luna。


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因为这个话题是我想到的,


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可能是我最有同情心。


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但是我有一点,我觉得和你们很像,


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因为我对我自己的妈妈,


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也是因为她现在也有一些


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看起来很不好的情况,


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但是因为我非常清楚她


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为什么会有这样的情况,


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所以我也不会同情她。


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我觉得是她自己需要去解决的问题。


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对。


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对,但是呢,


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我会对可能我不了解的人,


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或者陌生人,


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比如说,


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送外卖的外卖员。


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有时候我看到外面下雨了,


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下很大的雨,


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然后是晚上很晚,


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但是我想吃东西,


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我就会想:


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“我要不要点外卖呢?”


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因为我会担心,


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他们会不会不安全?


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下很大的雨,


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然后骑车送外卖。


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然后我的老公就会说:


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“你为什么要担心这个问题?


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你不点外卖,


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他们怎么赚钱呢?”


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对,然后,


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我好像会意识到,


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是我自己,


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是不是同情心太泛滥,


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就是太多了,


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有一点过了。


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你们觉得呢?


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我觉得你是很善良的人。


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但是呢,我跟你老公的想法有一点像。


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我会觉得这个是他的工作。


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可能下雨天,


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如果他送外卖,


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他的工资是更高的。


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所以呢,如果他想挣更多的钱,


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他可以选择雨天也送外卖。


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但是可能他们也可以选择,


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下雨天我不工作了我回家,


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是不是?


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对,而且,


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刚刚范范说到了他们的选择,


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然后后来我就变了,


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对,


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我好像不会那么同情他们。


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但是呢,


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我会给他们发消息,


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说你注意安全,


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你慢一点。


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对,是的。


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我觉得Luna,


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如果你说送外卖的,


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或者说送快递的,我觉得,


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我也会有一点同情心。


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我会觉得他们很辛苦。


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对,比如说我对我爸爸,


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其实也有一点同情心,


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我也觉得他很辛苦。


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如果说我,


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有一个很大的快递,


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然后那个快递员,


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他需要搬很重的快递来我家,


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可能我会跟他说,


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我说很辛苦,


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或者我会给他一个很小的红包,


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让他可以多一点回报,


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就是多一点,


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他得到的东西可以多一点。


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对。


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那其实这个对于他们来说,


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已经是很温暖的事情了。


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因为他们自己可能,


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会觉得这个是我的工作,


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这个是我应该做的事情。


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可能如果我们不做什么,


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他们也不会觉得有什么奇怪的,


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对不对,也不会不开心。


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对,但是就是这一点,我觉得,


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我跟你们也有一点像,


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因为你们都知道我的课很多,


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一般我点外卖,


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我会告诉他放在门口就可以,


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不要敲门不要敲门,


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也不要打电话。


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但是我去门口拿快递的时候,


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拿外卖的时候,


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我发现我的这个袋子上都是湿的,


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然后呢,


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你们知道那个外卖上面会有一张纸,


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这个纸上写你的外卖是什么对不对,


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那个纸也湿了,


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然后我就知道,


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外面下了很大的雨。


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回来以后我会给他发信息,


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我说辛苦你了,


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回去的时候你要注意安全。


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但是我不会给他发红包,


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我只会跟他说一些话。


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我会和佳琪一样,


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有时候有时候我会发红包。


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对,所以我有一个问题,


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因为我突然在思考,


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我们这样的同情心是应该的吗?


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或者说是不是,


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我们觉得我们比他们,


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地位更高,


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还是好像我们比他们生活得更好,


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所以我们应该同情他们?


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我现在突然觉得好像也不太好,


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我想听听你们的看法。


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Luna,


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我特别可以共情你。


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就是我觉得你的想法,


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也是我很多时候在想的,


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或者说我应不应该,


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同情他们,


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就是,


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你知道有很多欧洲人,


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或者说美国人什么的,


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他们都很喜欢去帮助非洲人,


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就是你很难去分清楚,


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我的这个帮助,


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是因为我是真的很想帮助你,


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还是因为我觉得,


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我过得比你好,


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所以我应该帮助你,


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就我觉得这个很难说,


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你真的很难分清楚。


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我觉得你们不需要想这样的问题。


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如果你觉得他很辛苦,


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你想表示你的感谢,


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你就给他一个小的红包。


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那我可能不想感谢那么多,


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我就说一句你辛苦了,


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对。


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可能这个是我们的性格的问题,


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是人的一个善良的东西,


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所以可能不需要想那么多,


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那么深的东西。


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这样的话他也很开心,


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你也很开心。


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对。


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我很同意范范说的其实,


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因为我觉得,


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很多时候,


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这样的情况其实不需要想太多,


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他可能真的只是因为你心里面觉得,


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他好辛苦,


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我想帮一帮他,


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对。


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然后就跟他说了一句话,


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然后给了他一些钱。


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对,没关系Luna,


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我们可以接受自己是一个好人。


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对。


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是的。


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太好笑了!


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我们是很好的人。


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对。


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对。


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所以好像我觉得有时候,


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我会有一点困扰,


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就是我会想很多,


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我这样做对不对,


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会不会别人,


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会觉得你为什么要帮我,


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我不需要我不需要你可怜我,


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这样的感觉。


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对,所以我很多时候,


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我会想很多,


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好。


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现在我觉得,


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我觉得范范说得很对。


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而且Luna,


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我觉得对于送外卖的外卖员来说,


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他们不会觉得,


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我不需要你可怜我,


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他们收到红包以后,


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一定会非常开心的,


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他们会觉得你是一个很好的,


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很善良的人。


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而且Luna,他们没有时间,


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去想这个问题,


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他们每天很着急的送外卖,


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他们想多送一些外卖,


249

00:10:26,933 --> 00:10:28,000

多赚一点钱,


250

00:10:28,066 --> 00:10:31,166

真的没有时间去想这个问题。


251

00:10:31,166 --> 00:10:31,500

对。


252

00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:33,500

我太多余了。


253

00:10:33,500 --> 00:10:35,133

对,然后Luna,


254

00:10:35,166 --> 00:10:36,966

我现在又想到了一点,


255

00:10:36,966 --> 00:10:40,266

就是刚刚因为你在说,


256

00:10:40,266 --> 00:10:41,933

你的这个想法的时候,


257

00:10:41,933 --> 00:10:43,700

我有一点点共情嘛,


258

00:10:43,766 --> 00:10:45,100

但我后来想了想,


259

00:10:45,100 --> 00:10:47,400

我觉得有一些人,


260

00:10:48,066 --> 00:10:50,200

他们是真的觉得,


261

00:10:50,300 --> 00:10:54,100

我给你钱是因为我比你过得好,


262

00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,700

然后我在可怜你对吗,


263

00:10:56,700 --> 00:10:58,333

就是这种感觉,


264

00:10:58,333 --> 00:10:59,666

就是天呐,


265

00:10:59,666 --> 00:11:01,600

你过得怎么这么的不好,


266

00:11:01,733 --> 00:11:03,600

你看我过得这么好,


267

00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,533

那我多给你一点钱吧,


268

00:11:05,533 --> 00:11:07,700

我觉得我们不是这样的人。


269

00:11:08,566 --> 00:11:08,900

对。


270

00:11:08,900 --> 00:11:11,200

但是真的有人是这样的,


271

00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,100

所以我想了一下,


272

00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:15,366

我觉得应该不是,


273

00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,000

对,佳琪,


274

00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,766

我现在觉得我真的有一点,


275

00:11:18,766 --> 00:11:20,666

觉得自己好像很厉害,


276

00:11:20,666 --> 00:11:22,366

其实我现在想想天呐,


277

00:11:22,366 --> 00:11:23,733

我就是个普通人,


278

00:11:23,966 --> 00:11:25,966

我也没有比他们好很多。


279

00:11:27,133 --> 00:11:27,933

对。


280

00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,000

好。


281

00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:32,000

然后我也觉得同情这件事情,


282

00:11:32,166 --> 00:11:34,200

它是要有一个度的,


283

00:11:34,566 --> 00:11:37,266

就是有些东西你可以同情,


284

00:11:37,266 --> 00:11:39,100

但是你不能同情太多,


285

00:11:39,100 --> 00:11:40,566

你不能做太多,


286

00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:43,700

你不能超过这个度对不对?


287

00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:47,666

我觉得至少就是你同情别人,


288

00:11:47,666 --> 00:11:49,866

不要影响自己的生活对吗?


289

00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,400

对,是的。


290

00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,966

对,为什么我会这样想呢?


291

00:11:56,066 --> 00:11:57,800

因为很多年以前,


292

00:11:57,933 --> 00:11:59,733

我有一个男朋友,


293

00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,366

当然现在他已经是前男友,


294

00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,133

我们在一起的时候很开心,


295

00:12:08,066 --> 00:12:09,800

但是有一天,


296

00:12:10,166 --> 00:12:12,666

突然我就联系不上他了,


297

00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,733

我很难找到他,


298

00:12:15,566 --> 00:12:16,700

就是以前呢,


299

00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:18,866

他每天给我打很多电话,


300

00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:20,166

给我发信息,


301

00:12:20,533 --> 00:12:22,000

但是我给他发信息,


302

00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:23,866

他也没有时间回复我,


303

00:12:23,933 --> 00:12:26,700

晚上的时候他才回复我。


304

00:12:27,133 --> 00:12:29,166

差不多一个星期以后,


305

00:12:29,266 --> 00:12:30,366

我非常生气,


306

00:12:30,366 --> 00:12:32,066

我问他为什么会这样,


307

00:12:32,733 --> 00:12:33,800

你们知道吗?


308

00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,400

就是以前有一个,


309

00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,000

喜欢他的女生得了癌症,


310

00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,300

就是她的胸的一个癌症,


311

00:12:41,333 --> 00:12:43,800

得了乳腺癌,


312

00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:44,800

然后那个女生,


313

00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,900

做了手术以后告诉了他,


314

00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,600

那个女生就去找他了,


315

00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,100

所以呢那一个星期,


316

00:12:52,100 --> 00:12:55,266

他都在陪那个女生说话呀,


317

00:12:55,933 --> 00:12:58,100

散步吃饭呐,


318

00:12:58,166 --> 00:13:00,000

这样的事情。


319

00:13:02,866 --> 00:13:05,766

我觉得我知道以后呢,


320

00:13:06,100 --> 00:13:09,066

当然我也同情这个女生,


321

00:13:09,166 --> 00:13:11,500

她生了这个病,


322

00:13:11,566 --> 00:13:12,666

很严重的病,


323

00:13:12,666 --> 00:13:13,666

很大的病,


324

00:13:13,733 --> 00:13:15,566

因为对于一个女孩子来说,


325

00:13:15,566 --> 00:13:19,133

这个是很严重的事情对不对?


326

00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,866

然后我想一想,


327

00:13:22,666 --> 00:13:24,600

我记得我的妈妈告诉我,


328

00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:25,900

在我的老家,


329

00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:28,733

山上有一种特别的药,


330

00:13:28,766 --> 00:13:33,900

对治疗这个癌症会有帮助,


331

00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,866

所以我就问我妈妈,


332

00:13:35,866 --> 00:13:36,933

你可以告诉我,


333

00:13:36,933 --> 00:13:38,566

这个药的名字是什么,


334

00:13:39,100 --> 00:13:40,133

怎么做,


335

00:13:40,133 --> 00:13:41,466

怎么吃这个药,


336

00:13:41,700 --> 00:13:44,000

所以第二天我给我的,


337

00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,700

这个前男友发信息,


338

00:13:45,866 --> 00:13:46,800

我告诉他,


339

00:13:46,933 --> 00:13:48,966

我说这个是我们老家,


340

00:13:48,966 --> 00:13:50,966

那边很有名的中药,


341

00:13:50,966 --> 00:13:52,100

可以帮助她,


342

00:13:52,366 --> 00:13:53,766

你可以告诉他,


343

00:13:54,266 --> 00:13:55,900

她想不想试一试,


344

00:13:55,900 --> 00:13:57,733

如果她想试一试,


345

00:13:57,733 --> 00:13:59,333

我可以帮助她,


346

00:13:59,700 --> 00:13:59,900

对,


347

00:13:59,900 --> 00:14:01,966

然后我就说我们分手吧。


348

00:14:02,166 --> 00:14:04,966

我觉得他做太多了,


349

00:14:04,966 --> 00:14:09,100

就是因为他有女朋友对不对,


350

00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,300

他也没有告诉我这件事情,


351

00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:14,166

这个女生喜欢他去找他,


352

00:14:14,500 --> 00:14:17,100

他一个星期都在陪她,


353

00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:19,366

我觉得我不可以接受这件事情,


354

00:14:19,666 --> 00:14:21,800

当然我可以同情这个女生,


355

00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,733

但是我不接受我的这个前男友,


356

00:14:25,100 --> 00:14:27,533

和他在一起一个星期的这件事情,


357

00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:29,566

我觉得他做太多了,


358

00:14:29,700 --> 00:14:31,800

这个已经不是同情心了,


359

00:14:32,366 --> 00:14:34,000

但是他的解释说,


360

00:14:34,133 --> 00:14:35,800

范范我觉得她很可怜,


361

00:14:35,933 --> 00:14:38,866

我是很想同情她,


362

00:14:38,866 --> 00:14:40,166

我觉得这个是不对的,


363

00:14:40,166 --> 00:14:41,200

对。


364

00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:41,400

对。


365

00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,000

我觉得范范你做得很对,


366

00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,200

我觉得这个男生,


367

00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,333

他是在伤害你,


368

00:14:48,733 --> 00:14:51,500

就是这是一个更重要的事情,


369

00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:53,766

他伤害了你然后,


370

00:14:54,166 --> 00:14:54,466

对,


371

00:14:54,466 --> 00:14:55,600

然后他觉得,


372

00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,266

他在做一个更伟大的事情,


373

00:14:58,300 --> 00:14:59,066

对,


374

00:14:59,066 --> 00:15:01,933

然后他觉得这个女生需要他,


375

00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,966

他把自己想的太伟大了,


376

00:15:03,966 --> 00:15:06,566

是的他就是这样想的。


377

00:15:06,933 --> 00:15:08,333

你是谁呀你!


378

00:15:08,966 --> 00:15:10,566

我现在只想说一句,


379

00:15:10,566 --> 00:15:14,333

我觉得很多的男生都很单纯,


380

00:15:14,766 --> 00:15:15,566

对,


381

00:15:16,066 --> 00:15:17,966

就是他不知道很多女生,


382

00:15:17,966 --> 00:15:21,133

为什么会找他们,


383

00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,900

真的吗?那如果他是这样的男生,


384

00:15:24,900 --> 00:15:26,666

我觉得他真的没有脑子,


385

00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,066

我跟他分手,


386

00:15:28,066 --> 00:15:29,600

我觉得我太开心了,


387

00:15:29,666 --> 00:15:30,200

太对了,


388

00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,300

我不想和一个傻子在一起。


389

00:15:32,333 --> 00:15:35,466

对对,我觉得你做的是很对的。


390

00:15:35,500 --> 00:15:38,766

当然可能这个是特殊情况,


391

00:15:38,766 --> 00:15:40,333

对吗,因为她生病了,


392

00:15:40,333 --> 00:15:41,500

可能不一样。


393

00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:42,966

不,不,


394

00:15:42,966 --> 00:15:45,933

我觉得要看她跟这个男生的关系,


395

00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:48,066

就是她生了这个病,


396

00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,400

她身边有没有和她很亲近的人陪她,


397

00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,966

那为什么要找别人的男朋友呢?


398

00:15:55,333 --> 00:15:57,033

就是他以……


399

00:15:57,033 --> 00:15:59,200

就算我们是,


400

00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:00,533

在这里有重点,


401

00:16:00,733 --> 00:16:02,200

对,等一下佳琪,


402

00:16:02,733 --> 00:16:03,800

你刚才说这个,


403

00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,166

为什么要找别人男朋友,


404

00:16:05,166 --> 00:16:07,466

这个地方我要插一句,


405

00:16:07,466 --> 00:16:09,300

还有一个很重要的原因,


406

00:16:09,300 --> 00:16:11,566

我觉得是我的前男友,


407

00:16:11,566 --> 00:16:14,133

没有告诉她我有女朋友了,


408

00:16:14,533 --> 00:16:17,733

所以这个女生才会去找他,


409

00:16:17,933 --> 00:16:19,700

就是这个男生的问题,


410

00:16:19,700 --> 00:16:21,333

对,是男生的问题,


411

00:16:21,666 --> 00:16:23,500

那个女生是喜欢你的,


412

00:16:23,500 --> 00:16:25,966

那个时候的男朋友对吗,


413

00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,566

对,


414

00:16:27,566 --> 00:16:30,266

然后我觉得,


415

00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,733

这个男生知道这个女生喜欢他,


416

00:16:35,066 --> 00:16:37,500

所以他没有告诉这个女生,


417

00:16:37,500 --> 00:16:38,966

我已经有女朋友了,


418

00:16:39,100 --> 00:16:41,466

我觉得对很多女孩子来说,


419

00:16:41,466 --> 00:16:43,300

如果一个男生告诉她,


420

00:16:43,566 --> 00:16:45,400

我已经有女朋友了,


421

00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,900

可能她就不会再去找他了对不对?


422

00:16:48,066 --> 00:16:50,766

对,那确实是你男朋友的问题,


423

00:16:51,366 --> 00:16:52,100

不是男朋友,


424

00:16:52,100 --> 00:16:53,200

是前男友,


425

00:16:53,900 --> 00:16:54,700

前男友,


426

00:16:55,733 --> 00:16:56,866

对,


427

00:16:56,966 --> 00:16:59,466

我不可能有这么笨的男朋友。


428

00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:01,433

对,


429

00:17:01,433 --> 00:17:04,133

但是我也觉得这个女生她,


430

00:17:04,133 --> 00:17:06,333

其实也是利用了这一点,


431

00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:08,266

她就想得到,


432

00:17:08,266 --> 00:17:11,300

可能她知道这个男生不喜欢她,


433

00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,733

但是她现在有另外一种方法,


434

00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,066

她利用同情对吧,


435

00:17:16,066 --> 00:17:17,600

利用他的同情心,


436

00:17:17,866 --> 00:17:19,466

想要得到一点,


437

00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,566

她觉得可能对她来说,


438

00:17:23,566 --> 00:17:27,000

能够感觉到有一点被爱的感觉,


439

00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,333

但是不是真的爱,


440

00:17:28,333 --> 00:17:30,866

它可能是同情,


441

00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:35,766

而且我觉得很多男生都很喜欢,


442

00:17:36,333 --> 00:17:38,300

现在我可以保护你了,


443

00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:39,366

这种感觉,


444

00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:40,200

对,


445

00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,800

所以他看到一个,


446

00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,000

天呐这么可怜的女生,


447

00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:49,900

我现在可以当一个男人了,


448

00:17:49,966 --> 00:17:52,366

就是就是这种感觉,


449

00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,600

对,佳琪,


450

00:17:53,866 --> 00:17:56,500

可能他觉得自己是一个英雄,


451

00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,166

英雄,


452

00:17:58,166 --> 00:17:59,400

是的,


453

00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,933

当然不是说所有的男生,


454

00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,000

就是有一些男生会这样,


455

00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:07,200

是的。


456

00:18:07,300 --> 00:18:07,633

好。


457

00:18:07,633 --> 00:18:11,566

所以刚刚我们说完了同情,


458

00:18:11,733 --> 00:18:14,566

我也很想对范范说,


459

00:18:14,566 --> 00:18:16,966

我觉得佳琪和我有一样的感觉,


460

00:18:17,066 --> 00:18:19,700

我们能共情范范,


461

00:18:19,700 --> 00:18:20,066

对吗,


462

00:18:20,066 --> 00:18:20,533

对,


463

00:18:20,533 --> 00:18:21,766

她的这个经历,


464

00:18:22,866 --> 00:18:24,300

是的。


465

00:18:24,300 --> 00:18:27,100

所以那共情,


466

00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:28,600

我有一个问题,


467

00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,366

我想问范范和佳琪,


468

00:18:32,366 --> 00:18:37,000

你们会因为什么事情和别人共情呢?


469

00:18:37,366 --> 00:18:41,500

一般可能是他跟我有一样的经历,


470

00:18:41,500 --> 00:18:43,766

我很容易共情,


471

00:18:43,766 --> 00:18:44,166

对,


472

00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:46,666

或者是看电视的时候,


473

00:18:47,166 --> 00:18:50,366

我看到了一个让我很感动的地方,


474

00:18:50,533 --> 00:18:51,666

我会哭,


475

00:18:52,366 --> 00:18:54,866

我哭了可能是因为我共情了,


476

00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:55,866

我感觉,


477

00:18:55,866 --> 00:18:59,100

我可以感受到他的感觉是什么,


478

00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:00,366

我懂他,


479

00:19:00,366 --> 00:19:02,900

这样的一种感觉,


480

00:19:02,900 --> 00:19:03,166

对,


481

00:19:03,166 --> 00:19:06,700

就是可能这件事情它不是你的,


482

00:19:06,700 --> 00:19:09,500

它不是你经历的,


483

00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:12,600

但是你不知道为什么,


484

00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,733

你就是可以明白他的感受,


485

00:19:14,866 --> 00:19:15,466

对,


486

00:19:15,466 --> 00:19:18,733

你明白他为什么会哭,


487

00:19:18,733 --> 00:19:22,066

为什么会难过,


488

00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:23,866

对,就是我懂你,


489

00:19:24,300 --> 00:19:25,566

我懂你,是的,


490

00:19:25,566 --> 00:19:27,466

对,是的是的。


491

00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:31,800

我前两天在网上看到一个新闻,


492

00:19:32,566 --> 00:19:34,766

有一个火锅店的女孩子,


493

00:19:34,766 --> 00:19:35,866

她很年轻,


494

00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,966

然后呢她有一点难过,


495

00:19:40,133 --> 00:19:41,333

她不太自信,


496

00:19:42,333 --> 00:19:43,566

她有一点自卑,


497

00:19:43,933 --> 00:19:45,266

为什么呢?


498

00:19:45,266 --> 00:19:45,966

她说:


499

00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,933

“我觉得来吃火锅的人,


500

00:19:49,066 --> 00:19:51,366

他们和我年纪差不多大,


501

00:19:52,133 --> 00:19:55,466

可是呢她们穿很漂亮的衣服,


502

00:19:55,966 --> 00:19:59,100

她们的身上香香的,


503

00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:01,366

都是香水的味道,


504

00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,933

可是她闻自己身上都是火锅的味道,


505

00:20:06,300 --> 00:20:07,900

所以她很难过。”


506

00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:10,066

然后她拍了照片,


507

00:20:10,266 --> 00:20:12,766

发了这张照片在网上,


508

00:20:14,066 --> 00:20:16,500

有很多很多人共情她,


509

00:20:16,933 --> 00:20:19,666

在她的这张照片下边,


510

00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,000

有7万个人给她评论,


511

00:20:23,533 --> 00:20:25,533

然后大家都发了,


512

00:20:25,533 --> 00:20:27,800

自己工作时候的照片,


513

00:20:28,533 --> 00:20:32,866

大家说我们只是休息的时候,


514

00:20:32,866 --> 00:20:34,700

穿很漂亮的衣服,


515

00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:37,766

但是我们刚好碰到了,


516

00:20:37,766 --> 00:20:39,400

你工作时候的样子,


517

00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,066

这个是你的日常,


518

00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:45,133

其实我们的日常也跟你差不多,


519

00:20:45,266 --> 00:20:48,566

因为有的人他可能是农民,


520

00:20:48,766 --> 00:20:52,400

然后他们发自己种地的时候的照片,


521

00:20:52,966 --> 00:20:54,600

对,有的人呢,


522

00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,500

可能是修火车的人,


523

00:20:58,066 --> 00:20:58,333

对,


524

00:20:58,333 --> 00:21:02,766

所以很多人都可以共情她,


525

00:21:03,100 --> 00:21:04,266

对,


526

00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:05,300

对,


527

00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:07,866

你们有没有看到过这个?


528

00:21:07,866 --> 00:21:08,566

没有。


529

00:21:08,566 --> 00:21:09,933

我看到了。


530

00:21:09,933 --> 00:21:11,466

对,我也看到了。


531

00:21:11,666 --> 00:21:13,000

我现在听范范说,


532

00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000

我又觉得,


533

00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,133

好温暖,


534

00:21:15,166 --> 00:21:16,733

好感动,


535

00:21:16,733 --> 00:21:20,466

而且很多都是女生,


536

00:21:20,466 --> 00:21:21,700

对对,


537

00:21:21,766 --> 00:21:22,800

都是女生,


538

00:21:23,266 --> 00:21:26,133

对,她们真的可以共情,


539

00:21:26,166 --> 00:21:27,933

我现在也能共情,


540

00:21:27,933 --> 00:21:30,133

我觉得我能理解他们,


541

00:21:30,333 --> 00:21:31,866

是的。


542

00:21:31,866 --> 00:21:35,866

我觉得我们刚刚说了同情嘛,


543

00:21:36,133 --> 00:21:39,000

其实现在我们聊着聊着,


544

00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,633

我会觉得我们在给外卖,


545

00:21:43,633 --> 00:21:46,566

或者送快递的人红包的时候,


546

00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,466

也可以是一种共情,


547

00:21:49,666 --> 00:21:52,200

就是你共情了他的经历,


548

00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,933

你共情了他的辛苦,


549

00:21:53,933 --> 00:21:58,133

对,所以你才会帮他,


550

00:21:58,166 --> 00:21:58,700

是的,


551

00:21:58,700 --> 00:22:00,200

对是的是的。


552

00:22:00,466 --> 00:22:04,133

所以好像共情能力很强的人,


553

00:22:04,366 --> 00:22:06,533

他可以带给别人温暖,


554

00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:07,333

对吗,


555

00:22:07,333 --> 00:22:10,166

可以让别人觉得很开心,


556

00:22:10,666 --> 00:22:14,666

觉得自己的工作可以得到认可,


557

00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:16,533

对,可以被看见。


558

00:22:16,566 --> 00:22:19,133

那我这里有一个问题,


559

00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:21,700

就是共情能力太强,


560

00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:23,800

会不会也是一种负担,


561

00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,333

一种压力,


562

00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:28,900

就是你看到什么都可以共情,


563

00:22:29,366 --> 00:22:31,100

可能你每天都在共情,


564

00:22:31,133 --> 00:22:33,766

就可能这些东西它可能并不是你的,


565

00:22:33,766 --> 00:22:34,766

对,


566

00:22:34,766 --> 00:22:35,566

对,


567

00:22:35,666 --> 00:22:37,400

我觉得会。


568

00:22:37,866 --> 00:22:40,266

佳琪你刚才说的这样的人,


569

00:22:40,533 --> 00:22:42,866

我觉得他是很敏感的人,


570

00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:44,466

现在在中国呢,


571

00:22:44,466 --> 00:22:46,300

我们会说这样的人,


572

00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:48,533

他们是高敏感的人,


573

00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:52,300

就是他们每天会接收,


574

00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:55,466

很多别人的负面情绪,


575

00:22:56,733 --> 00:22:59,733

然后有一点过度了,


576

00:22:59,933 --> 00:23:02,600

这样的话他们自己就会很焦虑,


577

00:23:02,966 --> 00:23:06,166

时间久了可能自己也心情非常不好,


578

00:23:06,166 --> 00:23:06,966

抑郁了。


579

00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:09,733

所以这个就是为什么有些医生,


580

00:23:09,866 --> 00:23:13,066

有一些心理咨询师,


581

00:23:13,066 --> 00:23:14,700

可能他们也不是,


582

00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:17,100

非常开心的一个原因。


583

00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:20,300

那我想到一个问题,


584

00:23:20,300 --> 00:23:23,000

那你们觉得这个社会,


585

00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,766

它需要很多共情能力强的人吗?


586

00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,166

我觉得一半一半吧,


587

00:23:32,066 --> 00:23:35,066

就是你总是需要一些人,


588

00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:38,100

能够去完成一些事情,


589

00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:40,266

你又希望,


590

00:23:40,766 --> 00:23:42,366

有一些人可以共情,


591

00:23:42,366 --> 00:23:46,766

然后可以平衡一下,


592

00:23:46,766 --> 00:23:47,500

对,


593

00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:50,666

所以我觉得可能都是也不好,


594

00:23:50,666 --> 00:23:52,900

但是都不是也不行,


595

00:23:52,900 --> 00:23:55,366

我是这种感觉。


596

00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,366

我是觉得,


597

00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,700

如果你的共情能力很强,


598

00:24:00,066 --> 00:24:02,133

其实它是一种能力对不对,


599

00:24:02,566 --> 00:24:03,866

你可以看到别人,


600

00:24:03,866 --> 00:24:06,000

你可以感受到别人的感受,


601

00:24:06,733 --> 00:24:08,200

那在工作中,


602

00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,333

在生活中,


603

00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,200

这样的话其实是可以,


604

00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,333

让大家的联系更紧密一些,


605

00:24:14,333 --> 00:24:17,200

可以加强大家的联系的。


606

00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,600

比如说有的时候我们在工作中,


607

00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,400

遇到了一些问题那如果,


608

00:24:23,966 --> 00:24:25,900

现在我可以共情你,


609

00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:29,333

我可能可以感受到你现在的感觉,


610

00:24:29,366 --> 00:24:31,133

我和你先谈感受,


611

00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:32,400

然后你会觉得,


612

00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,566

你真的懂我,


613

00:24:33,733 --> 00:24:35,866

这个时候我们的关系更好了,


614

00:24:35,866 --> 00:24:38,100

我们再去一起解决这个问题,


615

00:24:38,466 --> 00:24:40,100

它可能是更容易的,


616

00:24:40,466 --> 00:24:43,933

所以我觉得可能我们要利用,


617

00:24:43,933 --> 00:24:47,300

这个共情能力的这个优点,


618

00:24:47,300 --> 00:24:49,900

但是我们也要坚持,


619

00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,700

这个度在哪里,


620

00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:53,800

就是我们要知道自己是谁,


621

00:24:53,866 --> 00:24:56,066

我们要知道这个是我的事情,


622

00:24:56,066 --> 00:24:57,600

还是别人的事情,


623

00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,100

你只需要做你自己应该做的,


624

00:25:00,133 --> 00:25:04,533

不要被别的负面情绪有太多的影响。


625

00:25:04,866 --> 00:25:07,333

那我想到一个例子,


626

00:25:07,333 --> 00:25:09,133

我想问问范范和佳琪,


627

00:25:09,133 --> 00:25:10,300

如果是你们,


628

00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,133

你们会怎么做?


629

00:25:12,133 --> 00:25:15,766

这个是我在一个电视剧里看到的,


630

00:25:16,066 --> 00:25:17,200

两个警察,


631

00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,600

然后一个警察,


632

00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:22,466

他就是共情能力很强,


633

00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,500

他在做一个案子的时候,


634

00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:30,566

最后这个杀人的人,


635

00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,566

他是儿子,


636

00:25:32,933 --> 00:25:34,366

这个儿子呢,


637

00:25:34,900 --> 00:25:36,866

他马上要高考了,


638

00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:38,533

他的成绩非常好,


639

00:25:38,866 --> 00:25:41,133

但是呢他为什么杀人呢,


640

00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,766

而且他杀的是他的爸爸,


641

00:25:44,333 --> 00:25:46,133

他也不是故意的,


642

00:25:46,366 --> 00:25:49,066

是因为他为了保护他的妈妈,


643

00:25:49,533 --> 00:25:52,333

因为他的妈妈一直被他的爸爸打,


644

00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,000

我们叫家暴,


645

00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,800

所以妈妈受不了了,


646

00:25:56,966 --> 00:26:00,066

然后儿子也不是故意的,


647

00:26:00,066 --> 00:26:02,333

但是最后杀了他的爸爸,


648

00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,766

然后这个警察呢,


649

00:26:04,966 --> 00:26:07,733

他就非常理解他们的这个情况,


650

00:26:08,133 --> 00:26:11,200

他觉得这个孩子很好,


651

00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:13,666

而且他的成绩也很好,


652

00:26:13,933 --> 00:26:16,200

他应该有更好的未来,


653

00:26:16,866 --> 00:26:20,266

所以他的妈妈就求这个警察说,


654

00:26:20,466 --> 00:26:23,466

你不要告诉别人这个事情,


655

00:26:23,466 --> 00:26:23,900

我,


656

00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:28,666

我帮我的孩子去监狱去坐牢,


657

00:26:28,666 --> 00:26:31,933

我希望你可以让他有一个新的生活,


658

00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,400

好,但是呢,


659

00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,666

另外一个警察,


660

00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:39,000

他发现了一些细节一些点,


661

00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,600

他知道这个事情是什么,


662

00:26:43,933 --> 00:26:48,266

然后最后这个警察他说我不能帮你,


663

00:26:48,266 --> 00:26:52,900

所以最后这个警察就是他的同事,


664

00:26:53,366 --> 00:26:55,300

他的同事最后把这个事情,


665

00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:57,566

告诉了他们的领导,


666

00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,400

最后这个,


667

00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:02,333

共情能力很强的警察,


668

00:27:02,666 --> 00:27:04,666

没有了工作,


669

00:27:04,666 --> 00:27:04,933

对,


670

00:27:04,933 --> 00:27:08,166

所以我不知道如果是你们,


671

00:27:08,166 --> 00:27:11,600

你们会怎么做这样的事情?


672

00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,733

我觉得如果是我的话,


673

00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,766

我明白那个为什么共情的警察,


674

00:27:19,766 --> 00:27:21,700

他会没有工作,


675

00:27:21,700 --> 00:27:25,266

我觉得我的看法是每个人,


676

00:27:25,333 --> 00:27:29,066

要为自己做的事情要负责,


677

00:27:29,066 --> 00:27:32,533

然后那你做了一些事情之后,


678

00:27:32,533 --> 00:27:34,400

肯定是会有一些后果的,


679

00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,200

对,


680

00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:37,733

我可以明白,


681

00:27:37,733 --> 00:27:40,900

所以他爸爸家暴他妈妈,


682

00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:41,900

打他妈妈,


683

00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:46,400

他承担的后果就是被杀掉了,


684

00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,533

我觉得这是,


685

00:27:48,533 --> 00:27:51,133

就是它是每一个人,


686

00:27:51,133 --> 00:27:52,866

都不想去看到的一件事情,


687

00:27:52,866 --> 00:27:54,733

但是它就是这么发生了,


688

00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,766

我可以明白那个孩子,


689

00:27:56,766 --> 00:27:58,300

他不想去杀他爸爸,


690

00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,866

但是他也杀了,


691

00:28:00,866 --> 00:28:02,733

我觉得如果是我的话,


692

00:28:02,733 --> 00:28:03,933

我可能会说,


693

00:28:03,933 --> 00:28:06,800

我们有一些事情是必须要做的,


694

00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,933

就是我们是不能改变的,


695

00:28:08,933 --> 00:28:10,466

因为你杀了人,


696

00:28:10,666 --> 00:28:12,300

不管是因为什么,


697

00:28:13,266 --> 00:28:16,266

那可能会有一些其他的点,


698

00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:17,933

可能会说ok,


699

00:28:18,333 --> 00:28:19,366

可能你杀了人,


700

00:28:19,366 --> 00:28:21,133

然后一般的情况下,


701

00:28:21,133 --> 00:28:22,333

你也需要死,


702

00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,366

但是那可能因为这个原因,


703

00:28:25,866 --> 00:28:27,533

你可能不需要死,


704

00:28:27,566 --> 00:28:29,366

你可能去监狱里面,


705

00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:31,366

多少多少年,


706

00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:33,200

我觉得可以这样,


707

00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:36,400

但是你说真的完全就说,


708

00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,866

这个孩子他没有错吗?


709

00:28:37,866 --> 00:28:40,700

我觉得也不是。


710

00:28:42,266 --> 00:28:44,766

我其实和佳琪的想法是一样的,


711

00:28:45,133 --> 00:28:46,933

社会是有社会的规则,


712

00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,533

而且他犯法了对不对,


713

00:28:49,533 --> 00:28:51,266

杀人是很大的事情,


714

00:28:51,766 --> 00:28:54,333

我觉得这个共情同情,


715

00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:57,166

它是跟法律不一样的,


716

00:28:57,666 --> 00:28:59,666

如果你没有做犯法的事情,


717

00:28:59,666 --> 00:29:01,166

我们可以去同情他,


718

00:29:01,166 --> 00:29:02,200

可以共情他,


719

00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:03,800

但是法律,


720

00:29:03,933 --> 00:29:05,366

我们是不可以去碰,


721

00:29:05,366 --> 00:29:08,100

这个法律的红线的,


722

00:29:08,700 --> 00:29:11,566

而且他其实有很多方法,


723

00:29:11,666 --> 00:29:13,300

他可以帮助他的妈妈,


724

00:29:13,566 --> 00:29:16,666

在第一次他爸爸打他妈妈的时候,


725

00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,666

可能他妈妈可以报警,


726

00:29:18,866 --> 00:29:20,000

他也可以报警,


727

00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:23,500

我只会觉得非常可惜,


728

00:29:23,766 --> 00:29:25,966

因为这个结果是不好的结果,


729

00:29:25,966 --> 00:29:27,066

爸爸死了,


730

00:29:27,066 --> 00:29:28,466

他也要去监狱,


731

00:29:28,666 --> 00:29:30,100

真的非常可惜,


732

00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:33,166

但是在这件事情发生以前,


733

00:29:33,366 --> 00:29:34,566

他和他的妈妈,


734

00:29:34,566 --> 00:29:37,666

有很多很多办法可以帮助自己,


735

00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,300

但是他们都没有,


736

00:29:39,333 --> 00:29:42,133

他们选择了最不好的一个方法,


737

00:29:42,366 --> 00:29:45,566

那当然要承担后果,


738

00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:45,800

对,


739

00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,500

那如果这个可以共情的警察,


740

00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:50,900

我觉得他是一个很善良的人,


741

00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:53,633

可能他把这个案子,


742

00:29:53,633 --> 00:29:55,700

交给他的领导以后,


743

00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:59,900

可能他可以去帮这个孩子找律师,


744

00:29:59,966 --> 00:30:03,600

或者说可以求他的领导可不可以,


745

00:30:03,733 --> 00:30:06,933

比如说帮这个孩子求情,


746

00:30:07,266 --> 00:30:10,200

说一说这个为什么他这样做呀,


747

00:30:10,733 --> 00:30:12,733

有可能这个孩子可以,


748

00:30:13,266 --> 00:30:16,733

提前几年从监狱出来,


749

00:30:17,333 --> 00:30:20,800

但是我不同意这个警察的做法,


750

00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:21,100

对,


751

00:30:21,866 --> 00:30:23,800

好的,好。


752

00:30:23,866 --> 00:30:26,066

所以这是我们关于,


753

00:30:26,066 --> 00:30:28,300

同情和共情的讨论。


754

00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:30,700

那大家有什么看法呢?


755

00:30:30,933 --> 00:30:32,933

或者在你们的生活中,


756

00:30:33,066 --> 00:30:34,733

或者你们的社会里,


757

00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,766

有没有这样的情况?


758

00:30:36,866 --> 00:30:39,466

可以在下面和我们分享。


759

00:30:39,733 --> 00:30:41,400

那我们下次见!


760

00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:42,366

拜拜!


761

00:30:42,366 --> 00:30:43,166

拜拜!


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